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Newtonmas is a secular holiday celebrated on December 25 in honor of Sir Isaac Newton's birthday. It is celebrated with an apple tree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
http://web.hao.ucar.edu/public/education/sp/images/newton.gif


Speaking of the relationship between society and religion, has anyone tried to get an official recognition of atheism as a religion (especially in America)?

The official recognition of a religion in America is a fairly non-trivial issue. For example, one can often refuse to do something (e.g. a mandatory vaccination required by an educational institution) based on his sincere religious convictions, but the catch often is that one has to be a member of a "recognized" religion, and cannot, for example, claim that he or she merely follows the commandments of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

So I wonder how to get a religion officially recognized?

A positive side of the official recognition of atheism as a religion would be a more fair treatment. The rights of atheists to exercise their religion would be better protected under the First Amendment, and at the same time the government would not be able to promote atheistic religion due to the Establishment clause of the First Amendment.

Date: 2005-12-25 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com
У погибших солдат - атеистов специальное надгробие с атомом.

Date: 2005-12-25 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
более того, если их будет достаточно много, то государство должно будет предоставить им полкового священника атеистической религии! например, можно набрать из бывших преподавателей научного атеизма, если более квалифицированного персонала не найдется :-)

но, с другой стороны, придется следить, чтобы преподавание эволюции в школе не превращалось бы в пропаганду атеизма...

Date: 2005-12-25 04:39 pm (UTC)
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Я вообще не понимаю, каким образом "официальное признание" той или иной религии, а также разрешение (не) делать то, что обязательно для остальных, согласуется с First Amendment.

Date: 2005-12-25 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
> Я вообще не понимаю, каким образом "официальное признание" той или иной религии [...] согласуется с First Amendment

Я тоже.

> Я вообще не понимаю, каким образом [...] разрешение (не) делать то, что обязательно для остальных, согласуется с First Amendment

"Congress shall make no law [...] prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Что влечет за собой применение стандарта strict scrutiny по отношению к действиям правительства в таком контексте...

Date: 2005-12-25 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
Понравилось.
Интересно, где больше правды: в библии или в легенде о яблоке?

Date: 2005-12-25 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
В Библии тоже есть легенда о яблоке! Правда, есть сведения, что на самом деле это был инжир.

Date: 2005-12-25 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
В Библии тоже есть легенда о яблоке! - и даже тоже познания.
Правда, есть сведения, что на самом деле это был инжир. - вот-вот :-))

Date: 2005-12-26 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
Ньютон вполне мог взять идею оттуда, он был очень религиозным человеком.

Date: 2005-12-25 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
I am a convinced agnostic; what do I get?

BTW, at first I read your Newtonmas as Newton, Mass., and was wondering. But not for long.

Date: 2005-12-26 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
I have had a short corespondence with secular humanistic Jews in DC area. They were too politicized for my tastes. I am sorry I missed a meeting with them, though; had a chance to hear Sholom-Aleichem's daughter.

Date: 2005-12-26 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
> They were too politicized for my tastes

They all were very left-wing, were not they?

On the other hand, is not Paul Wolfowitz a secular humanist?

Date: 2005-12-26 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
Left wing, of course.

I do not know if Wolfowitz is a secular humanist, but I know that neocons are former lefties. ;-)

Date: 2005-12-26 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
;-) I hope that secular humanists are more or less uniformly represented across the political spectrum ;-) I wonder if the dynamics of their concentration across the political spectrum obeys something like heat equation ;-)

Date: 2005-12-28 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-paramon.livejournal.com
Я помню в Ripley's Believe it or not museum в Сан Франциско, был зал с разными прикольными надгробными надписями. Одна особенно понравилась: Here lies an atheist, all dressed up and no place to go

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