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"The paper suggests that language affects perception in the right half of the visual field, but much less, if at all, in the left half."

quoting from http://cognews.com/1139328519:

The paper suggests that language affects perception in the right half of the visual field, but much less, if at all, in the left half.

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Many of the distinctions made in English do not appear in other languages, and vice versa. For instance, English uses two different words for the colors blue and green, while many other languages – such as Tarahumara, an indigenous language of Mexico – instead use a single color term that covers shades of both blue and green. An earlier study by Paul Kay and colleagues had shown that speakers of English and Tarahumara perceive colors differently: English speakers found blues and greens to be more distinct from each other than speakers of Tarahumara did, as if the English "green" / "blue" linguistic distinction sharpened the perceptual difference between the colors themselves. The present study essentially repeated the English part of that earlier test, but also made sure that colors were presented to either the right or the left half of the visual field – something the earlier study hadn't done – so as to test whether language influences the right half of our visual world more than the left half, as predicted by brain organization.

In each experimental trial of the present study, participants saw a ring of colored squares. All the squares were of exactly the same color, except for an "odd-man-out" of a different color. The odd-man-out appeared in either the right or the left half of the circle, and participants were asked to indicate which side of the circle the odd-man-out was on, by making a keyboard response. Critically, the color of this odd-man-out had either the same name as the other squares (e.g. a shade of "green", while the others were all a different shade of "green"), or a different name (e.g. a shade of "blue", while the others were all a shade of "green"). The researchers found that participants responded more quickly when the color of the odd-man-out had a different name than the color of the other squares – as if the linguistic difference had heightened the perceptual difference – but this only occurred if the odd-man-out was in the right half of the visual field, and not when it was in the left half. This was the predicted pattern.


The paper itself: "Whorf Hypothesis is Supported in the Right Visual Field but not the Left," by Aubrey Gilbert, Terry Regier, Paul Kay, and Richard Ivry:

http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/~kay/LeftBrainWhorf.pdf

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all this assuming there are no methodological errors in this study...

via [livejournal.com profile] dmierkin

Date: 2006-02-14 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
Sounds plausible.

Date: 2006-02-14 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
There should have been another control - when the odd man out is of an intermediate color with no well-known name for the participants that have the blue-green distinction, e.g. something like teal or turquoise. In this case I'd predict that the blue-green distinction would be a disadvantage.

Date: 2006-02-14 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com

Very interesting. I know the second author it turns out :)

Date: 2006-02-14 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
Yes, and in (american) English there is no distinction between light blue (голубой) and blue (синий), and the rainbow has 6 colors. I am sure that the same experiment will work as a comparison between Russian speakers and American english speakers. In fact, I noticed that when I am thinking in English, I distinguish these two colors less than in Russian.

Language determines the way we think. Most people's first concious childhood memories coincide with the time they learned to talk. If we have no way of describing something, in a way it doesn't exist.

Date: 2006-02-14 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
The left-right asymmetry is spectacular, however, although not surprising...

The asymmetry is not between eyes, but between parts of visual fields of each eye, if I understand correctly...

Date: 2006-02-14 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
I am curious if it has anything to do with the "strong"/"weak eye distinction, and whether the color perception or strong/weak eye in turn have anything to do with left/right-handedness.

Date: 2006-02-14 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
> it has anything to do with the "strong"/"weak eye distinction

I doubt this: "strong"/"weak" eye depends on the optical properties of an eye (my right eye was weak before I started to wear eyeglasses, and I am right-handed; this asymmetry in my case might have been caused by the preferential use of the right eye during reading [back to language]).

> left/right-handedness

What about the speech hemisphere? It's still the left hemisphere of the brain, i.e. right side of the body and the world (neural cross-connection), regardless of left/right-handedness, is not it?

But it would be interesting to control for left/right-handedness and for weak eyes, to check for possible alternative explanations...

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The straightforward explanation, that this is caused by "hidden synaesthesia" between vision and speech, and that this happens mostly in the left hemisphere, where the speech is processed, and thus affects only the right field of view, which is also processed in the left hemisphere of the brain, still seems the most plausible to me...

Date: 2006-02-14 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
I would imagine they controlled for weak eye!

Date: 2006-02-14 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
One would hope :-) But I don't feel like reading the details now...

So I added the reference to the original paper and the disclaimer instead, for the time being ;-)

Date: 2006-02-14 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
Disclaimer is a foundation of the modern world!

OK, maybe it's time to get some work done... Talk to you later. Happy Valentine's! ;-)

Date: 2006-02-14 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
> Disclaimer is a foundation of the modern world!

I think we should develop a disclaimer calculus (Turing-complete, of course), where everything will be built from the disclaimers ;-) A great student project...

> Talk to you later. Happy Valentine's! ;-)

Да, да... Именно...

И этим передавайте поздравления... которые жуткие ;-)

Date: 2006-02-14 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
Крупным жутким или мелким жутким? ;-)
Ладно, всем передам :-)))

Date: 2006-02-14 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
;-) ;-) ;-) Я имел в виду тех жутких, которые не фига не учат русский язык в далеких северных краях ;-) ;-) ;-)


;-) это, все таки, не абстрактный праздник ;-) детишки пусть сами находят, кого им с этим поздравлять ;-)

Date: 2006-02-14 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
тех жутких, которые не фига не учат русский язык в далеких северных краях - зато учат северный язык в приятной компании? :-) Ладно, поздравим.

это, все таки, не абстрактный праздник - да уже практически абстрактный. Младший весь вечер валентинки писал всем одноклассникам :-))

Date: 2006-02-14 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
> в приятной компании

у?! :-) :-) :-)

> писал всем одноклассникам :-)

какой ужас! :-) куда смотрят защитники моральных устоев?! :-)

Date: 2006-02-14 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
у?! - да не, так, полу-шутка. Расскажу при случае.
какой ужас! :-) куда смотрят защитники моральных устоев?! - Считают взятки, полученные от производителей открыток.

Слуш, редиск, я работать сегодня буду, или где?

Date: 2006-02-14 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
комменты опять плохо ходят?

Date: 2006-02-14 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
Комменты ходят нормально, вроде. Это меня в офисе не было.

Date: 2006-02-14 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
Это мне один задержали... но он появился...

пошли "трудиться" ;-)

Date: 2006-02-14 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
look what they do at the MIT, almost a dislaimer calculus:

http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/symbolic/spring06/

"Adventures in Advanced Symbolic Programming", 6.891

Date: 2006-02-14 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misha-b.livejournal.com

That's what they say :) But solid evidence for that is not easy to come b, it seems.

Date: 2006-02-14 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/
But solid evidence for that is not easy to come b, it seems. - or hard to verbalize, anyhow. Since it deals with things that are impossible to verbalize to begin with... ;-)

Date: 2006-02-14 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anchan-uk.livejournal.com
Я слышала другой вариант, правда не в научной, а в научно-популярной литетуре. Что человек начал видеть синий цвет сравнительно недавно, и поэтому в старых языках, в частности в санскрите и японском, для обозначения сине-зеленого и синего используется одно слово. Хотя в японском есть специальное выделение зеленого-травяного "midori", синий и сине-зеленый обозначаются одним словом "aoi". Если действительно восприятием сине-зеленого ведают участки мозга, филогенетически более древние, чем восприятием чисто синего, то их обьяснение может быть неверным. По хорошему надо бы повторить упражнение, взяв другую пару цветов где-нибудь в середине спектра, либо уже упоминавшуюся выше пару синий-голубой...

Date: 2006-02-14 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
А что, моря-неба раньше не было видно?

Date: 2006-02-14 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
ты знаешь, это зависит от разницы в яркости и разных других факторов... и сейчас не всегда видно...

Date: 2006-02-15 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anchan-uk.livejournal.com
Если верить авторам той идеи, то море с небом видно-то было, однако разница в цвете не была слишком значительной, чтобы выделять синий цвет из общего сине-зеленого "аой".

Date: 2006-02-15 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anhinga-anhinga.livejournal.com
Ааааа... я-то прочитал комментарий [livejournal.com profile] cema, как то, что если у них не было нужных слов, то вряд ли это мешало им различать море и небо...

то есть, как контрпример...

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